Seems like the Council thought you had a great proposal. They were ready to approve it on the spot. Delores recomended that we open it up for others to submit proposals. Contrary to what others may think, that is not required by law but is merely done as a courtesy. What you are proposing is a “cooperative endeavor agreement” not a public works project so procurement procedures don’t apply. There are many who sit back a be critical of you but until they ‘belly up to the bar” and offer another alternative their criticism rings hollow. I seriously doubt that people are going to be beating down the doors at City Hall to submit anything.
Wonder where you got your degree in procurement law?
Next you going to explain how they could have entered into a cooperative endeavor agreement with an organization that does not exist nor is designed to be a quasi-governmental coorporation. Has Lamar chartered this non-profit political subdivision organization?
“WHEREAS, Article VII, Section 14(c) of the Constitution of the State of Louisiana provides that “for a public purpose, the state and its political subdivisions … may engage in cooperative endeavors with each other …; “
The City should have never opened nor discussed his proposal for several reasons. He is not a political subdivision and I could make a case, if I would submit a proposal, that he recevied advanced preferential treatment. This discussion between a governmental agency and a potential vendor (a vendor who is not presently compliant with the requirements of law) is illegal. As I have said time and time again Lamar is worsening the situation instead of bettering it.
The great part is going to be when Lamar sees his proposal modified and submitted by a minority non-profit organization such as the Boys and Girls Club.
Lmar your fan club and legal advisor are doing you a disservice. If awarded to your organization one only has to request an investigation by the Attorney General to throw the whole mess into an uproar.
Guess all I can say is I posted the law. What others posted is a pipe dream. Gonna be interesting to see how this turns out. I believe a strong case can be made to have your organization declared ineligible to participate because of the city councils actions.
Let see where this goes. Think I will contact the AG’s office and see what their thoughts are.
Lamar, your perpetual detractor is a simple lowly pigeon that contributes noting to the beauty of the world and craps on the achievements of others. Ignore
go ahead and request an attorney general investigation then everyone will know who you are and then the citizens of alexandria will know who would rather play silly games than to actually do something that would benefit the community. so please do file your objection with the ag’s office we would love to publish your name etc.
Apparently you don’t realize there are various ways to report a criminal act anonomously.
There has been a criminal act committed – the financial committee met and discussed Lamar’s proposal with no advertsiements for other proposals.
So post that in your blog. Shame I stated that the City would not vote on his proposal on the 5th – they didn’t. Shame I stated the City will request proposals – they will. 2 to nohing so far. So post that.
Consider the gauntlet cast you vulgar creep. So instead of talking about what you are going to do, do it. See how it works for you. Thanks We Saw That. You are wise and good.
This guy has already made a big fuss over this, and it’s obvious he’s less interested in the best solution for the community and more interested in picking a fight.
I could understand this type of outrage if it were inflicted on a number of other projects the City enters into (including all those consultants). But to pick on me and that little golf course, to accuse us of committing a crime, and to bully government officials on the weekends (yes, he’s done that too)… all of these things suggest that this guy is just out to get me.
And I’m not sure why. I haven’t been in business here in Alexandria for that long. It’s possible this is just a vendetta, but if it is, it’s completely one-sided. He acts like he cares deeply about procedural law, but to those of us who are really paying attention, it seems like this guy can’t tell the forest from the trees.
Also, there is some debate as to whether or not this actually needed an RFP. If I had to guess, Mrs. Brewer decided to do this, in part, because she knew about what this guy was threatening on the blogs (see Cenla Antics). The basic facts of my proposal have been public knowledge for about three weeks, and the City Council committee meeting revealed nothing that wasn’t already made public.
It also seems to me that the only way you could argue that I had an unfair advantage is if you also had a thorough proposal put together for Bringhurst. If there’s no competition, there’s no “advantage.” And I wouldn’t expect any of the other local non-profits to get wide-eyed over this project. They’re already spread thin, and this would work better if it were a collaborative project (and they know this).
I hope that this guy redirects his anger and resolve onto something that actually HURTS our community. There are a million other things to get righteously angry about, and it strikes me as disingenuous that he’d be so offended and upset by a NON-PROFIT COMPANY that wants to REHABILITATE a golf course.
IT’S JUST TOO GOOD. I CAN’T STAND IT! Lets play a little game of free form “What If?”
What if this creep had contacted Delores to bitch about Lamar and Delores knew exactly who this dork is: and
What if Delores had told others this creep’s identity but bound them to secrecy until the right time; and
What if Delores plans to drop a dime on this creep to the employer as soon as she leaves City Hall (next week) and see if that handles the problem before turning these informed people loose to resolve it there own way?
When this creep becomes unemployed there will be plenty time to read the consitution and play golf (and maybe even pick up a few coins cadying at Bringhurst)
No need to apologize for I know I have contacted no governmental official relative to this issue (probably any other issue either)on a weekend or weekday.
You do not sem to understand. I neither like or nor dislike you. We have never met (and am not interested in meeting you. I don’t care if you get the golf course. I have never cared who gets the golf course.
As I have stated previously your remarks about the city voting on your proposal on the 5th was not factual. To do so would violae procurement law. Only fact that I have stated is that IT WOULD violate law. Your proposal is now public information and available to the public. What is to stop someone from obtaining a copy, changing it slightly and submitting it – presuming someone out here wants to submit a proposal?
I am merly trying to educate you on procurement procedure, procurement law and the way to do business with governmental agencies. It seems that your circle of advisors are willing to ignore legal procedures when it is for a pet project but scream to the high heavens for honest government. If you want honest government follow the rules even if it involves a little bitty golf course.
What if she realized “giving” the Golf Course to Lamar would violate law.
What if she told Lamar she had been contacted.
What if she told the person that contacted her she would respect anonimity (sic?) What if she tells?
Would make her a liar – Oh that is not a what if. BB proved that.
If she has been contacted and if she has promised not to say anything and she has this says a lot about her. That would mean this situation would impact her bid for Mayor and be one more negative her oppent could use.
One more time Lamar what governmental official did I contact on what weekend?
“May I carry those clubs for you sir? I used to be an important public servant. I’m sorry, no glassware permitted on the course. I could get you a canned beverage. Would you like to purchase one of these presharpened little scorecard pencils? I have some in my Walmart bag.”
Suddenly, he’s worried about whether or not DB will protect the identity of “someone else” who called and complained about Bringhurst.
We don’t believe you for a second. You’re the only person in the world who is bashing Lamar’s plans for Bringhurst. You’re the one who wrote on Cenla Antics. You’re the one who called DB.
What makes you think she had any reason to protect your identity?
A paranoid nutcase calls someone up to bitch about a non-profit rehab on Bringhurst, and now he expects her to protect him. If she doesn’t, he’s going to call her a liar and say this will affect her ability to be elected mayor.
You are pathetic, and you just gave yourself away.
Lamar, you don’t have to answer his questions. He’s a little worried. That’s all.
Oh and now he’s threatening to get the Attorney General involved!!! Can’t forget that!
Lamar, if I were you, I’d go back and copy every single thing this guy said about you, because he’s definitely committed libel. Once his identity is revealed, he’ll have a lot to answer for.
First remember I care not about the Golf Course and I think you truly want to give back to the Community. If so rest assurred I will not be involved in the process of awarding it to anyone.
Your debate position assigns degree to sin. It is just a little bitty golf course. Law needs to be followed no matter how small or how large the issue. “Cooperate Endeavor” is an agreement between governmental agencies. You ain’t a government agency. Procedures exists that specify how the assets of the citizens are to be handled and how procurement is to operate. This may well build in a delay but it safeguards the rights of the citizens.
Your dim witted friends should realizes that to request an Attorney General’s Opinion you must be a governmental agency. I ain’t. In fact reading your friends advice to you makes me realize you are probably the smartest slice of bread in the loaf.
Libel – if I were you I would find out what responsibility you have relative to what is posted on this site. If you would find out who I am and would be stupid enough to file a lawsuit I would enjoy your assets. Remember the score 2 to nothing – should hive you a hint I know a little about law.
Spoke to Delores Brewer. Never happened and she will would never ever lie in court by stating she spoke with me. Now I don’t know if she spoke to anyone and don’t particular care. It would be interesting to see if she spoke to someone.
What I surmise is someone spoke to her, that she did not identify that person, she told the finance committee that someone had contacted her about the procedure to obtain the course and recommend the RFP procedure be followed. I have asked numerous times what government employee did I contact and on what weekend. You chose not to answer and I respect that position. I think you added 2 2 and came up with 3. You found out something and figured it was me. Guess again Lad.
One thing you might want to consider – procurement law contains provisions for the declaration of an emergency to handle those situations in need of an immediate solution. If the course’s situation is an immediate crisis why doesn’t the council declare an emergency and do their thing? This is the reason I say someone, either a WOB (Woman Owned Business) a MOB (Minority Owned Business) or something is waiting in the wings.
A declaration of emergency would have legitimated entering into an agreement and provided a timely solution to what you claim is an immediate need.
I forgot to add a remark relative to the brilliance of your dim witted advisors: “A paranoid nutcase calls someone up to bitch about a non-profit rehab on Bringhurst, and now he expects her to protect him. If she doesn’t, he’s going to call her a liar and say this will affect her ability to be elected mayor.”
Calls someone up – notice the word call. How in the hell does one know – with certainty – who the hell is calling whom. That has to be the dumbest statement I have ever read: Yes your honor Billy Bob called me and bitched about Lamar. How do you know it was Billy Bob Mrs. Brewer? Why your honor he said he was.
Methinks that when one drops a dime to your boss they will immediately recognize the amazing character you have become and handle it from there. We probably won’t “need no stinkin’ judges”. Maybe you can get the legal advice concession at Bringhurst. “I think I’ve got a lease agreement like that. Let me check my Walmart bag.”
Hee Hee Hee the idle threats of little children. Do you really shop at Wal Mart? Pity your occupation doesn’t provide you with sufficient income to shop at places that sell Made In the USA stuff. Or – yes I fine idea just occurred _ you work as a Wal Mart Associate. Stocker? Greeter?
The emergence of blogging has brought a range of legal liabilities. Employers have fired employees who maintain personal blogs, which discuss their employers.[10] The major areas of concern are the issues of proprietary or confidential information, and defamation. Several cases have been brought before the national courts against bloggers and the courts have returned with mixed verdicts. In John Doe v. Patrick Cahill, the Delaware Supreme Court held that stringent standards had to be met to unmask anonymous bloggers, and also took the unusual step of dismissing the libel case itself (as unfounded under defendant-friendly American libel law) rather than referring it back to the trial court for reconsideration.[11]
This should be a positive news story about revitalizing one of our city’s most unique assets.
Instead, it’s being used to highlight our collective skepticism of our local government. You guys may be right about the city’s true intentions.
Maybe there is a minority owned business waiting in the bleachers, but there is nothing to prove this is the case.
If I had to guess, I’d say that Lamar recognized the possibility that his work and his research could be hijacked by another interested party, and that’s probably why he was comfortable with going public with his proposal. Considering the way things are usually done around here, it was probably a really smart move. Now, if a MOB or a WOB comes forward with a similiar proposal, the public will see the way these guys ALWAYS do business. Despite what you may think, the City usually knows who they’re going to award a project to well before they advertise for RFPs.
In this case, Lamar’s just being vocal about what he’d want to do with the course, and this is not a crime. It’s up to our government to determine how to best handle this proposal. Not Lamar.
Would you consider uploading your entire proposal Lamar?
PS: Before I upload any information, I’d need to talk with a few people to get their advice. But I personally don’t object to sharing our complete proposal… if people really want to read it.
It is I. Your proposal is now available under the Freedom of Information act. It is an unclassified document in possesion of the Finance Committee (a Government Agency). Lamar contine to think I hate you and your endeavor – I don’t care. All I have done on the Bringhurst issue is to advise you where you are wrong, what applicable statutes require and, in some cases, tried to drop little hints as how to proceed. Typical of youth you think advising someone of procedure means hating your idea – trying to destroy your “pie in the sky” plan to solve all the woes of Cenlaland. As others have stated you are naive.
A Proposal is evaluated subjectivly. All they have to do, if challenged, is to be able to justify their decision. If (and they have already decided who is getting the course and if there is money involved don’t be surprised if it ain’t you) you reveal your proposal everyone now has access to your ideas. What happens if someone copies your proposal and adds a few extra bennies for the City. Or if they copy your proposal and they are a Minority Owned Business. I have been working with procurement law for over 25 years. I have seen it all.
Your circle of friends know jack about cooperative endeavors and procurement law. You can’t even claim your work product as your own. You submitted it to the City. The City can now publish it as a desired plan of acion, ask for proposals as to how someone will meet these needs and evaluate any response.
Stop responding from emotions and learn the law and how to use the law to your best benefit. Your first step should have been to be an environmental alarmist about the grass blight and it is an emergency that something be done and the sky is falling in. Have the clubhouse designated an historic building built by the WPA or some such crap.
As stated time after time I care less about the course and about a game that consists of “I got this ball, I am going to put this ball on a little piece of wood and whack the shit out of it. I am going to walk way over yonder and whack it somemore until I get it into a hole in the ground and then I can whack i some more. Named Golf because the word shit was already taken”
However my sport makes as much sense. Turn left at high speeds on an oval, going no wheres but trying to be the first to get there.” Again called racing because shit was taken.
I don’t think you “hate” me; I just question your true intentions, particularly when you threaten action with the Attorney General (even if this is impossible).
If you are simply concerned about me getting the wrong advice vis a vis Bringhurst, then I appreciate your willingness to explain the process.
You must understand that I have been advised by a number of different people, and I tend to take anonymous advice posted on my blog with a grain of salt.
My e-mail address is public, and I am more than willing to hear your advice on how to proceed.
This is why nothing ever gets done around here. Someone always bitchin’ about who’s doing what and why can’t someone else do it. For goodness sake, by the time you finish debating this issue the damn course will be a drug-infested hangout. Crack alley. Let’s work together to try to better our city.
You assume any contemplated legal action is aimed at you. Let you in on a litle secret – if the council would award you the course without following proper procurement procedure you ain’t guilty of nutten. The procurement law does not apply to you it applies to the governmental agency.
I have merly stated what the council was going to do and not going to do. They ain’t a gonna put their self in legal jeopardy. It is a little known legal fact that if a procurer for a governmental agency enters into an illegal contract the vendor may sue the state and the employee and if the vendor previls the employee is liable.
Curious question – have you sought the advise of a lawyer proficient in procurement law? Baton Rouge is full of them. Contract awards are contested all the time. Protesting an award of a contract, be the contract a result of RFP or bid, delays the start of the contract until the protest is heard and a decision arrived at.
I don’t know who has been giving you advice but when dealing with a governmental agency you keep your mouth shut untill it is a done deal.
Lamar….this idiot keeps mentioning procurement law. It doesn’t apply. The city is not procuring anything. They are merely contemplating allowing a non-profit to conduct some programs on some property they own. This is no different from them allowing entities other than the City to operate the Perfoming Arts Center, the Arna Bontempt property, the Riverfront Center, River Oaks, etc. These are all City owned facilities that are used by other entities for pennies on the dollar. None of them were a result of RFP’s. And what about all the money we give to all the other non-profits like Cenla Pride, Boys and Girls Club, Cenla Arts Council, Hope House, and numerous others. And what about all the money given to Uncle Sam Jam….again, no proposals were aske for. Bottom line dude…This sort of thing is done every day at the City. So if were illegal they would have way bigger problems than what to do with a golf course.
Here’s another example: Mardi Gras. Every year the City gives a butload of money to the Mardi Gras Association so they can have their stupid parade. This is all done in the name of econonic development and is perfectly legal. To my knowledge, the city doesn’t request proposals from individuals who would like to “conduct a parade”. Lamar’s situation is no different. I don’t even think he is asking for any money from the City. He is asking the City to do some improvements to the site. But these improvements need to be done regardless of who is running the course. The guy just wants to run the clubhouse and set up an area for putt putt golf. So whats the big deal? Some are obviously projecting their personal dislike for Lamar, his family, or others like them into their criticism of his proposal for the course and the City’s desire to proceed. My advice….get over it.
As someone intimately familiar with procurement law and procedure, I agree completely with your analysis and would recommend to the mayor to nix the RFP, if it hasn’t already been advertised.
Why? Because I watched Lamar’s presentation to the Council committee, and I recall hearing Mrs. Brewer state that she “secretly” wanted Lamar’s proposal to be approved, to which Myron Lawson said, “It’s not a secret anymore.”
Mrs. Brewer’s premature endorsement could pose a number of problems to the City (not to you, Lamar), and an RFP is simply unnecessary for Bringhurst.
After watching the meeting, it also appears as if Lamar already has the support of the City Council and the Mayor’s Office. The RFP would simply delay the inevitable and continue the City’s liability.
By the way, Lamar, the guy who is all upset about procurement obviously does not understand your proposal and is hastily forming an opinion without all of the facts.
Mayor Randolph, Delores Brewer, and members of the City Council, I implore you not to overburden this, delay this, or table this any longer. Most of you have already made public declarations of support for Lamar, and you’re leaving yourselves vulnerable.
Lamar, there’s another issue here. Mrs. Brewer’s executive order was drafted BEFORE you had even made your presentation, and therefore, it is obvious that she wasn’t even concerned or interested in the substance of your proposal. She wasn’t even listening! Yet she said she supported your plans!
Will we suffer through this type of incompetence if Mrs. Brewer is elected mayor?
I watched the meeting as well. It seemed Myron got a little surprised by DB’s request. He said it was “unfair” to Lamar but ended up agreeing to it anyway.
So the question is….. If he already had the support of the Mayor and the Council, why would they issue an RFP as a courtesy? Doesn’t this open them up to a number of potential problems if someone else does actually come forward?
Others can and may come forward, but at this point in the game unless somebody comes up with a far better idea the Council and Administration will give Lamar the go ahead. The RFP Process is really just for show. This same sort of thing happens quite often with A&E Contracts.
“Lamar, there’s another issue here. Mrs. Brewer’s executive order was drafted BEFORE you had even made your presentation, and therefore, it is obvious that she wasn’t even concerned or interested in the substance of your proposal. She wasn’t even listening! Yet she said she supported your plans!”
Of course Delore knows what was in the proposal. She has met with Lamar numerous times and has had a copy of the proposal for weeks. The Committee Meeting was to inform the Councilmen, not her. And by the way, it wasn’t an “executive order” that Delores submitted. Its called a “fact sheet” although they don’t always contain the “facts”
CenLamar 
Lamar,
Seems like the Council thought you had a great proposal. They were ready to approve it on the spot. Delores recomended that we open it up for others to submit proposals. Contrary to what others may think, that is not required by law but is merely done as a courtesy. What you are proposing is a “cooperative endeavor agreement” not a public works project so procurement procedures don’t apply. There are many who sit back a be critical of you but until they ‘belly up to the bar” and offer another alternative their criticism rings hollow. I seriously doubt that people are going to be beating down the doors at City Hall to submit anything.
Wonder where you got your degree in procurement law?
Next you going to explain how they could have entered into a cooperative endeavor agreement with
an organization that does not exist nor is designed to be a quasi-governmental coorporation. Has Lamar chartered this non-profit political subdivision organization?
“WHEREAS, Article VII, Section 14(c) of the Constitution of the State of Louisiana provides
that “for a public purpose, the state and its political subdivisions … may engage in cooperative
endeavors with each other …; “
The City should have never opened nor discussed his proposal for several reasons. He is not a political subdivision and I could make a case, if I would submit a proposal, that he recevied advanced preferential treatment. This discussion between a governmental agency and a potential vendor (a vendor who is not presently compliant with the requirements of law) is illegal. As I have said time and time again Lamar is worsening the situation instead of bettering it.
The great part is going to be when Lamar sees his proposal modified and submitted by a minority non-profit organization such as the Boys and Girls Club.
Lmar your fan club and legal advisor are doing you a disservice. If awarded to your organization one only has to request an investigation by the Attorney General to throw the whole mess into an uproar.
Guess all I can say is I posted the law. What others posted is a pipe dream. Gonna be interesting to see how this turns out. I believe a strong case can be made to have your organization declared ineligible to participate because of the city councils actions.
Let see where this goes. Think I will contact the AG’s office and see what their thoughts are.
Lamar, your perpetual detractor is a simple lowly pigeon that contributes noting to the beauty of the world and craps on the achievements of others. Ignore
go ahead and request an attorney general investigation then everyone will know who you are and then the citizens of alexandria will know who would rather play silly games than to actually do something that would benefit the community. so please do file your objection with the ag’s office we would love to publish your name etc.
Apparently you don’t realize there are various ways to report a criminal act anonomously.
There has been a criminal act committed – the financial committee met and discussed Lamar’s proposal with no advertsiements for other proposals.
So post that in your blog. Shame I stated that the City would not vote on his proposal on the 5th – they didn’t. Shame I stated the City will request proposals – they will. 2 to nohing so far. So post that.
you dont seem to understand the part in the constitution that gives the accused the right to confront his accuser.
Consider the gauntlet cast you vulgar creep. So instead of talking about what you are going to do, do it. See how it works for you. Thanks We Saw That. You are wise and good.
If you don’t like Lamar’s proposal, then please present your own. I applaud anyone who tries to restore an older home, landmark, etc. Get a grip!
This guy has already made a big fuss over this, and it’s obvious he’s less interested in the best solution for the community and more interested in picking a fight.
I could understand this type of outrage if it were inflicted on a number of other projects the City enters into (including all those consultants). But to pick on me and that little golf course, to accuse us of committing a crime, and to bully government officials on the weekends (yes, he’s done that too)… all of these things suggest that this guy is just out to get me.
And I’m not sure why. I haven’t been in business here in Alexandria for that long. It’s possible this is just a vendetta, but if it is, it’s completely one-sided. He acts like he cares deeply about procedural law, but to those of us who are really paying attention, it seems like this guy can’t tell the forest from the trees.
Also, there is some debate as to whether or not this actually needed an RFP. If I had to guess, Mrs. Brewer decided to do this, in part, because she knew about what this guy was threatening on the blogs (see Cenla Antics). The basic facts of my proposal have been public knowledge for about three weeks, and the City Council committee meeting revealed nothing that wasn’t already made public.
It also seems to me that the only way you could argue that I had an unfair advantage is if you also had a thorough proposal put together for Bringhurst. If there’s no competition, there’s no “advantage.” And I wouldn’t expect any of the other local non-profits to get wide-eyed over this project. They’re already spread thin, and this would work better if it were a collaborative project (and they know this).
I hope that this guy redirects his anger and resolve onto something that actually HURTS our community. There are a million other things to get righteously angry about, and it strikes me as disingenuous that he’d be so offended and upset by a NON-PROFIT COMPANY that wants to REHABILITATE a golf course.
What government official on what weekend did I bully?
Perhaps “bully” is a strong word. I apologize.
IT’S JUST TOO GOOD. I CAN’T STAND IT!
Lets play a little game of free form “What If?”
What if this creep had contacted Delores to bitch about Lamar and Delores knew exactly who this dork is: and
What if Delores had told others this creep’s identity but bound them to secrecy until the right time; and
What if Delores plans to drop a dime on this creep to the employer as soon as she leaves City Hall (next week) and see if that handles the problem before turning these informed people loose to resolve it there own way?
When this creep becomes unemployed there will be plenty time to read the consitution and play golf (and maybe even pick up a few coins cadying at Bringhurst)
I think we are going to like this outcome.
No need to apologize for I know I have contacted no governmental official relative to this issue (probably any other issue either)on a weekend or weekday.
You do not sem to understand. I neither like or nor dislike you. We have never met (and am not interested in meeting you. I don’t care if you get the golf course. I have never cared who gets the golf course.
As I have stated previously your remarks about the city voting on your proposal on the 5th was not factual. To do so would violae procurement law. Only fact that I have stated is that IT WOULD violate law. Your proposal is now public information and available to the public. What is to stop someone from obtaining a copy, changing it slightly and submitting it – presuming someone out here wants to submit a proposal?
I am merly trying to educate you on procurement procedure, procurement law and the way to do business with governmental agencies. It seems that your circle of advisors are willing to ignore legal procedures when it is for a pet project but scream to the high heavens for honest government. If you want honest government follow the rules even if it involves a little bitty golf course.
Let us play some more what if>
What if someone else contacted Brewer?
What if she realized “giving” the Golf Course to Lamar would violate law.
What if she told Lamar she had been contacted.
What if she told the person that contacted her she would respect anonimity (sic?)
What if she tells?
Would make her a liar – Oh that is not a what if. BB proved that.
If she has been contacted and if she has promised not to say anything and she has this says a lot about her. That would mean this situation would impact her bid for Mayor and be one more negative her oppent could use.
One more time Lamar what governmental official did I contact on what weekend?
“May I carry those clubs for you sir? I used to be an important public servant. I’m sorry, no glassware permitted on the course. I could get you a canned beverage. Would you like to purchase one of these presharpened little scorecard pencils? I have some in my Walmart bag.”
Suddenly, he’s worried about whether or not DB will protect the identity of “someone else” who called and complained about Bringhurst.
We don’t believe you for a second. You’re the only person in the world who is bashing Lamar’s plans for Bringhurst. You’re the one who wrote on Cenla Antics. You’re the one who called DB.
What makes you think she had any reason to protect your identity?
A paranoid nutcase calls someone up to bitch about a non-profit rehab on Bringhurst, and now he expects her to protect him. If she doesn’t, he’s going to call her a liar and say this will affect her ability to be elected mayor.
You are pathetic, and you just gave yourself away.
Lamar, you don’t have to answer his questions. He’s a little worried. That’s all.
Oh and now he’s threatening to get the Attorney General involved!!! Can’t forget that!
Lamar, if I were you, I’d go back and copy every single thing this guy said about you, because he’s definitely committed libel. Once his identity is revealed, he’ll have a lot to answer for.
Ooooo! It’s like that batman movie where the good guys prevail and the bad guy takes it in the ass. I can’t wait to read the last chapter.
First remember I care not about the Golf Course and I think you truly want to give back to the Community. If so rest assurred I will not be involved in the process of awarding it to anyone.
Your debate position assigns degree to sin. It is just a little bitty golf course. Law needs to be followed no matter how small or how large the issue. “Cooperate Endeavor” is an agreement between governmental agencies. You ain’t a government agency. Procedures exists that specify how the assets of the citizens are to be handled and how procurement is to operate. This may well build in a delay but it safeguards the rights of the citizens.
Your dim witted friends should realizes that to request an Attorney General’s Opinion you must be a governmental agency. I ain’t. In fact reading your friends advice to you makes me realize you are probably the smartest slice of bread in the loaf.
Libel – if I were you I would find out what responsibility you have relative to what is posted on this site. If you would find out who I am and would be stupid enough to file a lawsuit I would enjoy your assets. Remember the score 2 to nothing – should hive you a hint I know a little about law.
Spoke to Delores Brewer. Never happened and she will would never ever lie in court by stating she spoke with me. Now I don’t know if she spoke to anyone and don’t particular care. It would be interesting to see if she spoke to someone.
What I surmise is someone spoke to her, that she did not identify that person, she told the finance committee that someone had contacted her about the procedure to obtain the course and recommend the RFP procedure be followed. I have asked numerous times what government employee did I contact and on what weekend. You chose not to answer and I respect that position. I think you added 2 2 and came up with 3. You found out something and figured it was me. Guess again Lad.
One thing you might want to consider – procurement law contains provisions for the declaration of an emergency to handle those situations in need of an immediate solution. If the course’s situation is an immediate crisis why doesn’t the council declare an emergency and do their thing? This is the reason I say someone, either a WOB (Woman Owned Business) a MOB (Minority Owned Business) or something is waiting in the wings.
A declaration of emergency would have legitimated entering into an agreement and provided a timely solution to what you claim is an immediate need.
I forgot to add a remark relative to the brilliance of your dim witted advisors: “A paranoid nutcase calls someone up to bitch about a non-profit rehab on Bringhurst, and now he expects her to protect him. If she doesn’t, he’s going to call her a liar and say this will affect her ability to be elected mayor.”
Calls someone up – notice the word call. How in the hell does one know – with certainty – who the hell is calling whom. That has to be the dumbest statement I have ever read: Yes your honor Billy Bob called me and bitched about Lamar. How do you know it was Billy Bob Mrs. Brewer? Why your honor he said he was.
And you people have a college education?
“No sir. They don’t rent golf shoes here but I have a pair that just might fit. Let me check my Walmart bag.”
Methinks that when one drops a dime to your boss they will immediately recognize the amazing character you have become and handle it from there. We probably won’t “need no stinkin’ judges”. Maybe you can get the legal advice concession at Bringhurst. “I think I’ve got a lease agreement like that. Let me check my Walmart bag.”
Hee Hee Hee the idle threats of little children. Do you really shop at Wal Mart? Pity your occupation doesn’t provide you with sufficient income to shop at places that sell Made In the USA stuff. Or – yes I fine idea just occurred _ you work as a Wal Mart Associate. Stocker? Greeter?
“My boss” an interesting concept.
Pathetic litle pissant you are Billy.
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Lamar your circle of slices of bread demean you.
Let’s all calm down.
This should be a positive news story about revitalizing one of our city’s most unique assets.
Instead, it’s being used to highlight our collective skepticism of our local government. You guys may be right about the city’s true intentions.
Maybe there is a minority owned business waiting in the bleachers, but there is nothing to prove this is the case.
If I had to guess, I’d say that Lamar recognized the possibility that his work and his research could be hijacked by another interested party, and that’s probably why he was comfortable with going public with his proposal. Considering the way things are usually done around here, it was probably a really smart move. Now, if a MOB or a WOB comes forward with a similiar proposal, the public will see the way these guys ALWAYS do business. Despite what you may think, the City usually knows who they’re going to award a project to well before they advertise for RFPs.
In this case, Lamar’s just being vocal about what he’d want to do with the course, and this is not a crime. It’s up to our government to determine how to best handle this proposal. Not Lamar.
Would you consider uploading your entire proposal Lamar?
Hahaha.
Man, I represent only one interest in this discussion: Rehabilitating Bringhurst.
Don’t worry about scouring through court cases on bloggers and libel.
PS: Before I upload any information, I’d need to talk with a few people to get their advice. But I personally don’t object to sharing our complete proposal… if people really want to read it.
It is I. Your proposal is now available under the Freedom of Information act. It is an unclassified document in possesion of the Finance Committee (a Government Agency). Lamar contine to think I hate you and your endeavor – I don’t care. All I have done on the Bringhurst issue is to advise you where you are wrong, what applicable statutes require and, in some cases, tried to drop little hints as how to proceed. Typical of youth you think advising someone of procedure means hating your idea – trying to destroy your “pie in the sky” plan to solve all the woes of Cenlaland. As others have stated you are naive.
A Proposal is evaluated subjectivly. All they have to do, if challenged, is to be able to justify their decision. If (and they have already decided who is getting the course and if there is money involved don’t be surprised if it ain’t you) you reveal your proposal everyone now has access to your ideas. What happens if someone copies your proposal and adds a few extra bennies for the City. Or if they copy your proposal and they are a Minority Owned Business. I have been working with procurement law for over 25 years. I have seen it all.
Your circle of friends know jack about cooperative endeavors and procurement law. You can’t even claim your work product as your own. You submitted it to the City. The City can now publish it as a desired plan of acion, ask for proposals as to how someone will meet these needs and evaluate any response.
Stop responding from emotions and learn the law and how to use the law to your best benefit. Your first step should have been to be an environmental alarmist about the grass blight and it is an emergency that something be done and the sky is falling in. Have the clubhouse designated an historic building built by the WPA or some such crap.
As stated time after time I care less about the course and about a game that consists of “I got this ball, I am going to put this ball on a little piece of wood and whack the shit out of it. I am going to walk way over yonder and whack it somemore until I get it into a hole in the ground and then I can whack i some more. Named Golf because the word shit was already taken”
However my sport makes as much sense. Turn left at high speeds on an oval, going no wheres but trying to be the first to get there.” Again called racing because shit was taken.
I don’t think you “hate” me; I just question your true intentions, particularly when you threaten action with the Attorney General (even if this is impossible).
If you are simply concerned about me getting the wrong advice vis a vis Bringhurst, then I appreciate your willingness to explain the process.
You must understand that I have been advised by a number of different people, and I tend to take anonymous advice posted on my blog with a grain of salt.
My e-mail address is public, and I am more than willing to hear your advice on how to proceed.
This is why nothing ever gets done around here. Someone always bitchin’ about who’s doing what and why can’t someone else do it. For goodness sake, by the time you finish debating this issue the damn course will be a drug-infested hangout. Crack alley. Let’s work together to try to better our city.
I suspect it’s already a drug-infested hangout. Isn’t that why noone plays there any longer???
You assume any contemplated legal action is aimed at you. Let you in on a litle secret – if the council would award you the course without following proper procurement procedure you ain’t guilty of nutten. The procurement law does not apply to you it applies to the governmental agency.
I have merly stated what the council was going to do and not going to do. They ain’t a gonna put their self in legal jeopardy. It is a little known legal fact that if a procurer for a governmental agency enters into an illegal contract the vendor may sue the state and the employee and if the vendor previls the employee is liable.
Curious question – have you sought the advise of a lawyer proficient in procurement law? Baton Rouge is full of them. Contract awards are contested all the time. Protesting an award of a contract, be the contract a result of RFP or bid, delays the start of the contract until the protest is heard and a decision arrived at.
I don’t know who has been giving you advice but when dealing with a governmental agency you keep your mouth shut untill it is a done deal.
Thank you for your advice.
Lamar….this idiot keeps mentioning procurement law. It doesn’t apply. The city is not procuring anything. They are merely contemplating allowing a non-profit to conduct some programs on some property they own. This is no different from them allowing entities other than the City to operate the Perfoming Arts Center, the Arna Bontempt property, the Riverfront Center, River Oaks, etc. These are all City owned facilities that are used by other entities for pennies on the dollar. None of them were a result of RFP’s. And what about all the money we give to all the other non-profits like Cenla Pride, Boys and Girls Club, Cenla Arts Council, Hope House, and numerous others. And what about all the money given to Uncle Sam Jam….again, no proposals were aske for. Bottom line dude…This sort of thing is done every day at the City. So if were illegal they would have way bigger problems than what to do with a golf course.
Here’s another example: Mardi Gras. Every year the City gives a butload of money to the Mardi Gras Association so they can have their stupid parade. This is all done in the name of econonic development and is perfectly legal. To my knowledge, the city doesn’t request proposals from individuals who would like to “conduct a parade”. Lamar’s situation is no different. I don’t even think he is asking for any money from the City. He is asking the City to do some improvements to the site. But these improvements need to be done regardless of who is running the course. The guy just wants to run the clubhouse and set up an area for putt putt golf. So whats the big deal? Some are obviously projecting their personal dislike for Lamar, his family, or others like them into their criticism of his proposal for the course and the City’s desire to proceed. My advice….get over it.
As someone intimately familiar with procurement law and procedure, I agree completely with your analysis and would recommend to the mayor to nix the RFP, if it hasn’t already been advertised.
Why? Because I watched Lamar’s presentation to the Council committee, and I recall hearing Mrs. Brewer state that she “secretly” wanted Lamar’s proposal to be approved, to which Myron Lawson said, “It’s not a secret anymore.”
Mrs. Brewer’s premature endorsement could pose a number of problems to the City (not to you, Lamar), and an RFP is simply unnecessary for Bringhurst.
After watching the meeting, it also appears as if Lamar already has the support of the City Council and the Mayor’s Office. The RFP would simply delay the inevitable and continue the City’s liability.
By the way, Lamar, the guy who is all upset about procurement obviously does not understand your proposal and is hastily forming an opinion without all of the facts.
Mayor Randolph, Delores Brewer, and members of the City Council, I implore you not to overburden this, delay this, or table this any longer. Most of you have already made public declarations of support for Lamar, and you’re leaving yourselves vulnerable.
Lamar, there’s another issue here. Mrs. Brewer’s executive order was drafted BEFORE you had even made your presentation, and therefore, it is obvious that she wasn’t even concerned or interested in the substance of your proposal. She wasn’t even listening! Yet she said she supported your plans!
Will we suffer through this type of incompetence if Mrs. Brewer is elected mayor?
I watched the meeting as well. It seemed Myron got a little surprised by DB’s request. He said it was “unfair” to Lamar but ended up agreeing to it anyway.
So the question is….. If he already had the support of the Mayor and the Council, why would they issue an RFP as a courtesy? Doesn’t this open them up to a number of potential problems if someone else does actually come forward?
Others can and may come forward, but at this point in the game unless somebody comes up with a far better idea the Council and Administration will give Lamar the go ahead. The RFP Process is really just for show. This same sort of thing happens quite often with A&E Contracts.
“Lamar, there’s another issue here. Mrs. Brewer’s executive order was drafted BEFORE you had even made your presentation, and therefore, it is obvious that she wasn’t even concerned or interested in the substance of your proposal. She wasn’t even listening! Yet she said she supported your plans!”
Of course Delore knows what was in the proposal. She has met with Lamar numerous times and has had a copy of the proposal for weeks. The Committee Meeting was to inform the Councilmen, not her. And by the way, it wasn’t an “executive order” that Delores submitted. Its called a “fact sheet” although they don’t always contain the “facts”
Let’s not get overzealous about this.
Thank you for all of your suggestions.